Commenter regitiger over at Sundance’s hang gets down to the real nitty-gritty.
I think most (not all, but a large number ) of people are totally missing what happened…and why this happened on jan 6.
I am going to try my best to outline the events that day…blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.
I will present this as a series of questions and answers.
q1: how do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?
a: it requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency”…An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.
facts: remember, carefully…focus please…remember…just moments..literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: pence, pelosi, schumer, mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.
q2: why was it necessary to halt the chamber process
a2: the crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud.
facts: the two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures…procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.
q3: what was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification
a3: it was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a scotus ruling appeal! understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS. Understand this.
q4: could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?
a4: unlikely…In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the united states: pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS. Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary ..the crisis was created..because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis…invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diaahrea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.
q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members dissallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?
a5: the speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!
q6: Other than new rules, emergency rules, what other peculiar things occurred when the speaker reconvened?
a6: members were allowed to “vote” in proxy…remotely…not being present…(you can use your imagination about what conditions were placed on ALL members during this time to prevent anyone from “getting out of line”. Also clearly, it was at THIS NEW SESSION that VP Pence, President of Congress, would also have no ability to even consider pausing the electoral certification…because there was no motions of disagreements on the matter. So in a technical legal claim, he is correct that he had no constitutional authority to address any issues of fraud or doubts about electoral irregularities. But this completely dismisses the FACT that congress created rules in this crisis/emergency that never allowed them to be floored!
understand what happened in jan 6…don’t get hung up on viking impostors, stolen pelosi computers, podium heists, and complicit capitol police.
understand the process and what happened and what WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
this was a coup….it was a very organized and carefully planned coup. VP Pence without a doubt as well as most members of the house were quite aware of how the certification was going to be MANAGED.
it would require new rules to prevent the debate clause from occurring!
new rules that ONLY AN EMERGENCY CRISIS COULD CREATE!
so they created an emergency.
noting: I understand why many people have great interest in debunking the j6 event…I get that. I think it is important to dissect and examine the events of that day.
but please…step back and understand WHY these things happened…examine the chain of events in congress…why those two motions that would have at least paused the certification THAT WOULD GIVE VP PENCE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED POWER TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ELECTORAL CERTIFICATION AND THEN EXAMINE THE IRREGULARITIES AND CLAIMS OF FRAUD!
at the very center of this coup stands Pence…the same individual who also spoiled President Trump’s first opportunities in the earlies hours of his Presidency just 4 years prior, when he created and facilitated the removal of LTGEN Flynn. I will not spend much time on this thread explaining why LTGEN Flynn was so important to President Trump and why the IC was so afraid he would have advisory power to the President. That I will leave for another day, another time. But understand this clearly: MIKE PENCE WAS AND IS WORKING FOR THE MOST CORRUPT CRIMINAL TREASONOUS PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT.
protip: if you really want to get a true understanding of this matter videos of protesters walking in the capitol is not going to address them. Actual video and time line records of events and the specific actions taken by the speaker just moments before TWO MAJOR ELECTORAL ALTERING MOTIONS WERE ABOUT TO BE FLOORED. This crisis was developed just in time with a precise coordination to prevent those two motions to be entered into the chamber record. The two motions do not exist. The emergency powers established in the new session made sure they never could be entered. The emergency powers could never happen without a crisis…
I tried to find a way to just run an excerpt instead of lifting the thing wholesale, but couldn’t without disrupting and diluting it too badly for it to make any kind of sense. Seeing as how I think Tucker’s J6 expose amounts to one of the most important acts of True Journalism that’s occurred in my lifetime, I offer no apology for making that call. This needs, nay demands, the widest exposure we can possibly give it; as a blogger of twenty-plus years’ standing, I am pleased and proud to make whatever little contribution I can to this effort.
Yes, it really is, as I said yesterday, a Big Fuckin’ Deal.
Well damn. First I’ve ever heard of this theory and it fits like a well worn glove. As far as I know Sundance himself never put this forward.
Let’s hope Carlson is a Treehouse reader or that someone advising him is.
EDIT: The commentor that wrote this made a second comment asking Sundance to look at this, which tends to validate the idea that Sundance has never come up with this line of thinking.
Also, nice find, Mike. A lot of comments there to wade through.
There was this: “But it does appear that his hard-core supporters will launch one more formal effort to overturn the election results on his behalf, thanks to the obscure and confusing Electoral Count Act of 1877, which established a mechanism for the last-minute resolution of presidential election disputes (like the one that had just roiled the nation in 1876).To make a very long and tedious story short, the last step in any presidential election is the certification of electoral votes by the newly elected Congress in early January. This is normally a rubber-stamp of the results everyone knows on or shortly after Election Night. But the above-mentioned Electoral Count Act provides a way to “pause” the certification if one House and one Senate member protest the award of electors in one or more states. In that event, the two chambers separate and hold a two-hour debate before voting on the electoral votes for disputed states. Only if both Houses disapprove the initial results are they changed.” https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/no-congress-wont-help-trump-overturn-the-election.html Note the source…
More: “There’s an even smaller and more fateful two-week window before the inauguration during which a newly elected Congress counts and certifies the Electoral Vote on January 6, and hastily makes other provisions for the presidency if neither candidate has a recognized majority.This timetable was created by the combination of vague constitutional language on how to formally elect a president, and a confusing and possibly unconstitutional statute from 1887 (ten years after an election dispute that nearly triggered a second Civil War) called the Electoral Count Act. In a normal, uncontested presidential election year, this process draws little or no attention because the outcome is ordained and is generally known (in all presidential elections since 1876 other than the 2000 cliffhanger) on or shortly after Election Day. Typically governors certify the winning electoral college slate before the ECA’s “safe harbor” deadline six days before the electoral college ballot box is locked (which purportedly means no one can challenge them later). The votes are then cast, the vice-president, in his or her role as president of the Senate, reads them out to a Joint Session of Congress on January 6. Lawmakers then immediately certify the count, and during all this time the new administration is getting ready to assume office.
This year, however, in part because of the expected slow count (and possibly recount) of ballots, and in part because of lawsuits and possibly presidential efforts to interfere with the counting of all those “fraudulent” mail ballots, it’s not at all certain that highly contested states will meet this year’s “safe harbor” deadline of December 8 for identifying a clear winner, or that when the Electoral College virtually “meets” on December 14, there will be just one slate per state sent in for tabulation. So depending on how much of a factual and legal quagmire a putative Republican rejection of the legitimacy of mail ballots creates, we could have pols and judges and pundits from both parties claiming victory, and big crowds in a thousand streets backing them up, by the time the new Congress takes office on January 3 and prepares to count Electoral Votes three days later.
According to the constitutional scheme, the President of the Senate, who would be current Vice-President Mike Pence, would “announce” the votes to a joint session of the newly elected Congress. The Electoral Count Act clearly expects the states and ultimately Congress (barring a contrary vote by both Houses of Congress, gubernatorial certifications are supposed to be recognized), not the veep, to decide which slate to announce, but if Pence were to only announce Trump-Pence slates citing his constitutional prerogatives, it’s unclear what would happen. Again, the constitutionality of the ECA has never been tested. And the effect of its provisions governing disputed slates would totally depend on which party controlled Congress, and which party controlled the governorship of the affected states.” https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/the-system-for-resolving-a-contested-election-is-also-a-mess.html
And there you have it.
They needed a “crisis”.
So, they manufactured one.
Everything since has been in service of the original lie.
If they admit the original lie, the whole house of cards comes down.
An interesting reason for why they did what they did when they did it.
This is why we do ourselves a disservice when we believe we are dealing with incompetents and dunces. Sure, the people they put in front of us are largely incompetents and dunces. But they’re not the ones orchestrating all this. People like Pence and Pelosi and McConnell and Schumer and their staffs etc have been working in DC all their lives. They know the rules. They understand how it all works. Plus, the ones they work for outside of the official government are clever and cunning evil people.
Still, this is not the ONLY reason they did what they did on that day. It had MANY uses for them. It does explain why certain things happened when.
I also think that the whole media coverage was shot out of sequence, like a Hollywood movie would be done. Then edited together and presented to the public in a different sequence like any movie.
The violence was staged and shot earlier. If it were true there were violent Insurrectionists breaching the Capitol from the side entrances and windows why would they let Grandma’s in through the front door and into danger? Why, if they were letting people peacefully into the front door why would you bother trying to force your way in through windows and side doors against armed Capitol Police? Simply walk in the front and THEN start heading for the Chamber.
I still say that there were no real threats to the actual Congress. They simply waited for the motions to get ready to be presented and then started the theater outside and rushed everyone out.
I mean, c’mon, AOC wasn’t even in the building at the time.
What do you guys think of McCarthy given he gave Tucker these videos and Tucker actually did something meaningful with them.
Is McCarthy one of the good guys? Or did he and/or Uniparty have a different reason for allowing this to come out now?
As far as everyone is concerned nothing is going to be rectified because of this. I can’t see anyone calling a “do over” and we see Trump back in the White House.
So why was this released? I can think of no reason other than McCarthy turned out to be a stealth Good Guy who is now a sort of Whistleblower now that he’s been given a chance.
Yet, something in my gut says there’s something more going on here. What says you?
From what I’ve read, it was a quid pro quo with Tucker, in exchange for
Tucker’s on-air endorsement for him as Speaker. Which, both parties got what they wanted from the deal.
If that is true, then those holdouts did the Country a huge favor.
Just my opinion, unsubstantiated by anything but my own gut and observations:
McCarthy is not opposed to making a buck or three in office, but power is paramount. He was strongly opposed. It was worse than it appeared. He reached agreement with the group that will put America first.
So, in spite of being power hungry, he is less corrupt than the average, and his feet are being held to the fire.
Trump has exposed the whole group. They are all on thin ice and they know it. McCarthy knows. It is simply in his own personal best interests at this point to side with the Trump side. Danger lurks on the other side. He has no real choice.
He’s stayed bought, so far, at least.
Sad state of affairs that this is considered better than average.
I despise the bastard, but I will now take the wins anyway we can get them. There are very few in DC that are not incorrigibly corrupt. You have to deal with them, and if some are less corrupt, the better to deal with.
How corrupt is McCarthy? This I don’t know. My statement was at best a guess at what has led McCarthy to do what he is doing. The one thing I’m certain of, he would not be doing it but for fear of 10-20 congressmen (and women) that can call for his position to be relinquished. And they are aligned with Trump for the most part.
He’s not Satan himself, he just one of Satan’s Minions who finds that hiding his identity for now makes sense.
And like BJ Clinton, sometimes Satan, he comes as a Man of Peace (but really is out to start War).
Some more evidence for what I see:
Sundance has taken it to a full blown post: