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  1. For the Low Information crew, to whom everything is news they never heard:
    1) Every tank ever made is vulnerable from the top. Also the rear, underneath, and to a lesser extent, from the sides.
    2) Drones, just like most tank-killing munitions (Javelin, TOW II, and even the venerable A-10) open tanks up like can openers on a can of tuna by top-side attacks. (They covered this on the Duh! Channel about 50 years ago.)
    3) Russian tanks have the same vulnerabilities, as something like 5000-10000 dead Russian hunks of scrap (tanks and APCs) since this war broke out will attest.
    4) If the Russians were fighting the Abrams tank to tank with their Russian p.o.s. armor, they’d be getting waxed. Surprise, surprise, Ivan isn’t that stupid, after having been burned himself for two-plus years, to no great effect.
    5) All this does, in the endless game of offense vs. defense, is push the next gen tanks to having more robust top armor. If the top of an Abrams (let alone a T-72) was as sturdy as the front hull, drone attacks would be like dropping tennis balls on the hull. What this points to is next gen tanks being even heavier, with thicker top armor. They may just get heavier, or they may rob Peter to pay Paul by thinning out armor on other sides to beef up the topside. Or both.
    6) And the first people to turn the corner on ways to rapidly sweep drones from the sky wins the battle.
    7) Until then, cheap drones will keep killing expensive tanks, because they can.

    The only surprise in this is that everyone who thought drones could never do this was dead wrong, and necessity, on both sides, has been a positive boon to invention and improvisation to both sides, equally under-equipped and half-assed, struggling to not get overrun.

    Just like in every war since primary weapons were sticks and stones.

    And Srsly, anybody who thought 31 Abrams tanks (which isn’t even what we deploy in a single tank battalion) was going to make a yuge difference in a multi-division war along a 1000-mile front line is a five-star moron, and not tall enough for the internet. For comparison, we deployed the equivalent of 9 full divisions in the much smaller Desert Storm Gulf War, (you could look it up)
    and the 1st Armored Division alone possesses 6 complete armored battalions, and enough to make a 7th one from the cavalry battalions and armored companies in the 3 infantry regiments. IOW, over 400 Abrams tanks, in just one division. That kind of force, drones or not, headed at Russian lines now, from just one division, would be in Moscow in about 48 hours, and probably trigger theater release of tactical nuclear weapons.
    Moscow, btw, has lost 10x that number of tanks since 2022, and has little to show for it since Day Five of what’s now around an 800-day “special military operation”.

    Some people should stick to comix, and leave serious discussions about military hardware and tactical and strategic implications to…pretty much anyone else.

    Just saying.

    1. “And Srsly, anybody who thought 31 Abrams tanks…”

      Spot on, all of it. There are way too many silly people commenting on weapons and tactics with little to no understanding.

      “31 tanks”, the number just makes for entertainment.

      Every weakness gets exposed to new developments. Tanks being just one item vulnerable to drone attack.

      “6) And the first people to turn the corner on ways to rapidly sweep drones from the sky wins the battle”
      Coming soon from an American/Israeli joint effort…

      1. To what end?
        The article adds nothing to the discussion.

        Russia is preaching rah-rah. Like they have been for 900 days.

        The front lines in Ukraine moved a few feet.

        That headline is the same for the last 500 days of an 800-something day war.

        The number of pics of captured and dead Russian tanks since they began this debacle is legion.
        They’ve pissed away literally more than half their ground combat strength, and have lost more troops in two years than we lost in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined, yet to track Russia’s progress in all that time, you’d need to put GPS on a snail.

        This has descended to meat grinder, because for either side to withdraw would be catastrophic.

        Like Iran and Iraq in the 1980s, both sides will lose. And for the same reason.

        Meanwhile, Putin has expanded NATO members by 10%, and will probably live to see Ukraine join as well, which was supposed to be what he was fighting to prevent.
        Own goal.

        Making further Russian military adventures a wee bit more costly.

        Won’t that be nice?

        Some of us old enough to remember the other way hoped we’d seen the end of that nonsense around 1991, but Putin’s single-handedly brought it roaring back to the forefront.


        1. You throw out a lot of stuff (so-called facts) but without cites or links to back it up.

          Two stand out:

          “Moscow, btw, has lost 10x that number of tanks since 2022 [says who?], and has little to show for it since Day Five of what’s now around an 800-day “special military operation”.”

          “They’ve pissed away literally more than half their ground combat strength , and have lost more troops in two years than we lost in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined [again zip, nada to back that up] , yet to track Russia’s progress in all that time, you’d need to put GPS on a snail.”

          As for that GPS-equiped snail, it’s managed to traverse a heck of a lot of territory in eastern and southern Ukraine. It must be tuckered out by now.

          1. The only fact that can be stated as actual fact, no links to BS purveyors required, no refutation possible:

            The (insert #) day operation is now into the 3rd year.

            The russian – Afghan war was 10 bloody years and the russians went home with their tale between their legs, precipitating the fall of the Soviet Empire.
            For perspective, for the USA, the European part of WW2 was only 3.5 years in duration, with the Pacific lasting a few months longer.

            Q How many russian tanks have been destroyed?
            A More than they can afford

            Q How many russians are dead?
            A More than they can afford

        2. “Like Iran and Iraq in the 1980s, both sides will lose. And for the same reason. Huzzah.”

          Exactly, but add another loser, the USA. All lose, russia gains nothing but a few more acres of land, and is despised and hated even more than before. The corrupt ukraine government is still in place, still stealing everything not nailed down. All while the corrupt government of the US uses them as a money laundering operation while they steal from the American citizens.

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