Might be a much tougher proposition than many of us imagine. Aesop compiles a solid, by-the-numbers case for what I hereby christen The City-Slicker Alliance©. As a lifelong city-slicker-at-heart who spent some of the happiest years of my life in NYFC; visited hundreds if not thousands of times both before and since my years as a resident; thoroughly enjoyed every minute of my time there; and to this very day still has quite a few dear friends there (not ALL of whom are whey-faced Leftweasels, amazingly enough), I’m all in.
So, you’re going to bottle up the cities?
Let’s try that with just one example.
The population of the metro area of Kansas City MO is 2.3M.
The population of the metro area of St. Louis MO is 2.8M.
That’s 5.1M people, right there.
The entire population of the state of Missouri is only 6.2M.
Which means the population of just the two largest cities in the state, the ones you’re going to “bottle up” (on flat land, mind you!) is the exact 82:18 ratio we mentioned.
Those two cities outnumber every swinging Richard in the entire rest of the state by over 4:1.
I think they might have something to say about being “bottled up”.
I think they might even be inclined to say it with guns. (And ropes. And so on.)
So perhaps you might consider ways to get potential allies onboard with a brighter campaign strategy (which would be Any One But Your Plan A), instead of becoming The Assholes That Everyone Else Wants To Kill Off By Day Two.
Just a suggestion, mind you.
Word To Your Mother: As we just pointed out in Comments to the prior post, there are more Trump supporters in the L.A. metro area than the population of any one of 36 entire states.
There are more actual Trump voters in NYFC than the total number of troops in the U.S. Army: active, reserve, and Nasty Guard, combined.
So there aren’t any “blue hives.”
That nonsense is for idiots who think the maps made by your enemies are the actual terrain.
The reality is that the entire country is different shades of purple.
Yeah, well, we all ought to be aware by now that Divide, Conquer, And Rule has always been the preferred, go-to stratagem of the Goosesteppin’ Left. High time we stopped falling for that shopworn ploy and homed our attention on the True Enemy instead, methinks.
Nota bene that I do still employ the hoary old Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative dichotomy myself—despite the nomenclature’s having been reduced nigh on to meaninglessness at this late date—based purely on the knowledge that all of y’uns will know what I mean by it. Think of it, if you will, as roughly congruent to lambasting Pedaux Jaux as if any sane, sensible soul seriously believes he’s actually in charge, as ***”pResident”***, of a dad-blamed thing—even though we know the doddering old fool ain’t even in charge of his morning bowel movement.
It only goes to show that, contra all odds and intuition, meaningless and/or outdated terminology can nevertheless come in quite useful sometimes, if only as a convenient shorthand which helps people come to grips with a larger concept.
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Aesop is stretching things way too much when he talks about the “cities” of Kansas City and St Louis being somehow equal to their SMSAs (Standard Metropolitan Statistical Areas) and somehow homogeneously “blue”. They’re not, nowhere close. I’m familiar with both places, one ancestor settled in Kansas City in 1850, another in 1865, another in 1870. And, for what it’s worth, another ancestor settled in Defiance, Missouri, about 30 miles west of the original St Louis at Laclede’s Landing, in 1800 or so – about a mile away from Daniel Boone’s farm – with whom he crossed the Cumberland Gap in 1797 from Virginia. And I have some pretty good knowledge of both places, having lived in and around them for the past 60 years or so.
As for Kansas City, the actual city is south of the Missouri River, bounded on the east by the Blue River, on the west by State Line Road, and on the south by roughly 103rd Street, which was one of the old trails which went to Overland Park, where the Overland Stage Company had a coach stop and livery stable, which still stands. That city is largely black, mostly poor, and some middle class towards the south. Most of the whites fled to Johnson County, Kansas, across State Line Road, because of property tax levies by a federal judge in a school desegregation case in the 1970s, which gave the Kansas City School District $1 billion to fund education and so forth. The businesses in downtown KC left, too, in droves – so downtown KC is government offices, banks, and lawyers offices – those which deal heavily with government. Kansas City is a totally corrupt Democrat hellhole, with a severe gang problem (see https://www.tonyskansascity.com/2024/06/wrist-slap-time-out-for-kansas-city.html). Kansas City, Kansas, across the river, has had a longstanding crime and gang problem, deserted downtown (for decades) and is overwhelmingly poor black. Both KCK and KCMO are run by crooked and incompetent Democratic Party machines. There’s a thin veneer of rich white liberals in KCMO – that’s where the property taxes come from. Mission Hills is a rich white liberal suburb across the border in Kansas, and you’ll see Black Lives Matter signs on the yards of multi-million dollar mansions. The black lives that matter are those of their domestic staffs, otherwise Driving While Black (or with Missouri plates, effectively the same thing) will get you pulled over in a flash. Most of the other places are pretty white in Johnson County, although the more urban areas tend to go liberal and Democratic (and rich). Get out in the country, especially in Missouri, and it gets pretty redneck pretty quick – and that’s FJB country. North of the Missouri River used to be known as “No Negroes North” territory – except they used the uncivil word. That’s where the KCMO white working and middle classes went to. So that’s the KC SMSA – and there are very definite boundaries there – East of Troost, North of the river, and so forth. It’s not nearly as segregated as the St Louis SMSA – which is St Louis County. Get a map and have a look at it – you’ll see St Louis City, and lots of small incorporated suburbs. They were incorporated to keep blacks and Democrats out, in a process known as “defensive incorporation”. In the City, south of 40/64, it’s pretty white for the most part, Italian, mostly. Go east to Arsenal or Grand Boulevard, and there are better off blacks – pretty strongly Democrats. Rich white liberal Democrats live between south of Delmar Boulevard and north of 40/64, west of Kingshighway. East of that, and you’re in a dangerous place, two blocks north of Delmar, same case, and you’ve got the same crooked incompetent, Democratic, and largely black leadership running the place. Portland Place is interesting, it’s an old gated community from the late 1800s – and it’s right next to the ghetto, abutting it to the north. You might have seen pictures of a couple on their porch, holding AR-15s, holding off a mob a few years back – that house is in Portland Place, and those are the two surviving Trump Republicans there… St Louis City is down to somewhat less than 400,000 people, about half of what it was in 1980 or so, all of them black – which occurred when the city government turned Democratic and black. Cutting off St Louis City would be impossible – no choke points of any kind, pretty much flat terrain in the city. Pretty much the same goes for Kansas City – although the northern part of KC – north of the river – could cut off the south part by blocking or cutting off the bridges. LA could be cut off pretty easily, lots of mountainous terrain for choke points, dependence for water on one or two main canals, electricity from rural California – but KC and St Louis aren’t LA.
You missed the entire set-up, and your analysis is therefore off target by a country mile.
The previous post and comments was 2-3 people gibbering about “walling people inside the cities” to watch them die off and/or kill themselves.
1) The walling off ain’t gonna happen, and KC and StL are two obvious examples of why.
2) This has nothing to do with racial make-up, it has to do with common effing sense and common interests: you aren’t walling off any goddam thing, not for fifteen minutes, and walking across the state from either city to the halfway point takes less than 5 days.
Inside a week, the rural areas of the rest of the state would be overwhelmed, and killed off in detail for trying.
It would make Genghis Khan’s Horde look kind and gentle by contrast.
3) L.A. would be harder, not easier, because they can defend canals and powerlines easier than you can survive in a desert.
It’d be impossible to isolate, not least of which because you and countless others keep missing multiple rail lines, air ports, and oh yeah, that whole thing called the Pacific Ocean. There are also a baker’s dozen smaller highways out of the city and metro area besides the freeways, and trying to bottle up that population would go about as well as the Chinese did at bottling up the FirstMarDiv at the Chosin Reservoir. And for you, there aren’t any reinforcements coming, so trying would be a suicide mission, while for those on the inside, the reserves, compared to the hinterlands, are functionally infinite.
It would be like sticking your finger in the hole to bottle up hornets in their nest, and about as fun.
4) Everyone wants to pull massive civil suicide out of their pocket, conflating balkanization with TEOTWAWKI, because magic. Show your work.
♫ One of these things is not like the other one ♫.
Have not read whatever led up to Aesop’s post at his place so I may be missing something. OTOH, he’s right with respect to numbers and with the difficulty of “walling” off a town. OTOH2, I’m of the opinion that in certain conflicts the towns will shut down entirely on their own as a result of internal conflict.
Towns require people to go to work in order to function. Truck drivers have to deliver groceries for example. In chaos and mayhem situations the truckers are not going into the city which will deplete the city of resources and increase the chaos, a self defeating loop has been generated. Cities are populated by large numbers of people that do not work to start with, only a handful need to quit to create chaos.
Once the city shuts down (self imposed) many will start streaming for the exits, good and bad. And many of the good will turn bad of necessity. Those who live outside the city better be prepared, fortified, and part of associations. No one can survive that onslaught on their own.
Chaos and death will accompany any widespread civil action, 10+% of the adult population of many cities are already criminals with violent tendencies. There is no hope for the populations of the inner cities and no outside action will be required.
Except that in Kansas City and St Louis *cities*, there aren’t any supermarkets to deliver those groceries to – they’ve been put out of business by robbery and theft. Liquor stores and payday loan places and porn shops and bodegas/convenience stores – things run by Mafia and third world types (which perform their own policing, very effectively). For a regular grocery store, or any other sort of regular store, you have to go outside of the city…
You’re suggesting people don’t eat that live in the inner city which is wrong of course. They get food delivered to stores and restaurants which will stop as soon as the chaos begins.
10 East 13th Street
Kansas City, MO 64106
Cosentino’s
315 N. Ninth St.
St Louis
Schnucks
I have no idea what you are thinking.
And of course, if the access to those revenue points for the Mafia types are interdicted, they’ll decide not to intervene, and hunt the interdictors down for sport, and will instead just kiss off their revenue, the Mob being so understanding about folks who take away their money.
And then somebody woke up, and realized they were dreaming.
Eventually something will break awakening the masses causing intense refocus from the division, it’s only a matter of time
The context was a couple of gibbering idiots contending that ruralitos would simply poke a couple of failure points, and ¡voila! everyone inside any city would immediately lose their minds and go all The Purge on their neighbors, as opposed to finding the assholes who fucked with the power supply or water supply, and start nailing their asses to barn doors while the owners were still alive and screaming.
Being a ruralito in either situation would lead to them all being rounded up and either interned “for questioning”, shipped of to someplace like Gitmo for a twice-daily waterboarding, or simply being killed on the spot pour encourager les autres, in about 96 hours. Any country not occupied would be declared a Free Fire Zone, and hunting outtings would be scheduled to track down the stragglers.
No small number of those doing the hunting and killing would be the exact Trump voters still in the cities, once the hillbilly Wolverines became a bigger threat to their lives and livelihoods than TPTB. Just like all places and times throughout history.
You want to talk targeted attacks on TPTB, and infrastructure – aided and abetted by the same underground and auxiliary the dipsticks in the conversation would be trying to kill off on Day One? Pull up a chair.
You think you’re going to “bottle up” cities, and they won’t erase the rural countryside dwellers like they were simply modern day Apache and Comanche, in about 0.2 seconds? Trust me, given the option, they’ll burn the surrounding countryside dwellers out, and slaughter them to the last child and grandmother before they missed their first meal. Then fix the problems, and go back about their business.
These tactical and strategic supergenuisii cannot undertake to lay a finger on the Special Forces doctrine which states “First, kill off everyone in the cities“, because no one who does this for a living for the last half a century and more is that barking stupid.
We didn’t get into this mess overnight, and we aren’t getting of it that quickly either.
But there’s always some earnest moron preaching another version of get-rich-quick, and as P.T. Barnum noted, There’s a sucker born every minute.
Sticking a pin in the overnight solution plan balloon, and the farce that imagines balkanization as anything but a brief prelude and consolidation phase before the inevitable outbreak of all-out war, was the genesis of the post in question.
“The context was…”
Missed this, but it was what I thought was likely. You see it all the time, people with little to no understanding of the difficulty escaping the reaction to their action when that action is not part of a very large movement. They use examples of random events where the perps remain undiscovered, not understanding that in a different situation the government will just kill everything breathing in a particular area.
Governments have murdered some 150 million people in the last hundred years or so.
Abbreviated as “I have a Cunning Plan: Let’s run up to that sleeping grizzly bear, and kick him right in the balls. Won’t that be hilarious?!“
That works 🙂
Im gonna stick with the wise words of Ole Remus,
”stay away from crowds”
Without disputing that wisdom, the corollary is like unto it:
“Don’t f**K with crowds either.”
As I’ve yelled through the windshield more times than I can count at stupid parking lot pedestrians: “Unless you think your @$$ is a car bumper, you’d probably be well off not strolling down the middle of the road.”
The problem being when the crowd comes for you…
Your local inner city gangs will be branching out when the inner city food and drug supply is depleted.
Preparation required.
Quite so.
All the more reason not to expedite driving them out into the hinterlands on Day One of anything.
As most kids learned with ants at a young age:
“Kill the scouts.“