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L’affaire de Plame est merde

Why have we got into a huge criminal investigation, defending some obscure matter relating to the spouse of a buffoon, and an unqualified fraud who basically lied about everything he discovered in Niger?

Excellent question, Mr. Steyn. And more observations on point:

1) The CIA makes an indefensible, nepotist hire of an incompetent “ambassador”,
2) Said incompetent publishes in the NYT a false account of his trip and conclusions, condemning the famous “16 words”,
3) Incompetent says his wife is “outed” as a “covert” agent by the White House in retaliation.

As a result, these actions raise many questions the MSM just can’t seem to ask:

1) If Plame was in fact “covert”, why did the CIA allow Wilson to publish the NYT article?
2) How can the CIA credibly maintain the resultant notoriety wouldn’t hazard Plame’s “covert” status?
3) Why is the CIA permitted to maintain the fiction of covert status for Plame when it has allowed its covert operative to be thusly exposed?
4) Since there is no direct indictment for “outing” Plame, it stands to reason she was not covert in the first place, and this whole kerfuffle was/is based on protecting Wilson’s lies.
5) Should the unelected bureaucracy of the CIA be permitted to manipulate the elected Executive branch as Wilson/Plame did, using the pretense of national security as a shield against exposure of their manipulations and falsehoods?
6) Is there anyone who would trust the CIA to even walk their dog at this point?
7) If they charge Libby with obstruction of justice, false statements and perjury, what about Wilson? And how about a “misuse of funds” charge against Wilson, too, since by his own admission all he did in Niger was drink tea?

The political stench billowing from Langley is a national disgrace. This was a successful attempt by low-level bureaucrats to damage a sitting President during wartime, and to me is tantamount to treason. Equal in complicity in this disgraceful episode are the big media outlets which perpetuate Wilson’s lies, and continue to this day to lionize this despicable, worthless bag of shit. A pox on all your houses; I’d question your patriotism but it’s quite obvious you have none.

Update! Merely the latest of many reasons the media are treasonous scum.

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30 thoughts on “L’affaire de Plame est merde

  1. Remember the attitude of career bureaucrats to their elected boss:

    “WE WERE HERE LONG BEFORE YOU WERE, AND WE’LL BE HERE LONG AFTER YOU’RE GONE. DON’T ROCK THE BOAT AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.”

    And Our Betters the Media?

    “EES PARTY LINE, COMRADES.”

  2. Joe…Joe, Joe.

    Read the indictment, all 22 pages (yes, I have). The re-read your rant.

    Whoa, man…easy with the coffee.

  3. The question I have: how, exactly, was “outing” Plame supposed to help the Bush admin anyway? Or, for that matter, damage Wilson? The whole thing is thin as April ice, and was from the start. But that’s the Left for ya; any scandal they can manufacture, as long as they’ve got Big Media to walk point for ’em.

  4. “QUESTION: Mr. Fitzgerald, you’ve said that there was damage done to all of us, damage to the entire nation. Can you be any more specific about what kind of damage you’re talking about?

    FITZGERALD: The short answer is no. But I can just say this: I’m not going to comment on things beyond what’s said in the indictment.

    I can say that for the people who work at the CIA and work at other places, they have to expect that when they do their jobs that classified information will be protected. And they have to expect that when they do their jobs, that information about whether or not they are affiliated with the CIA will be protected.

    And they run a risk when they work for the CIA that something bad could happen to them, but they have to make sure that they don’t run the risk that something bad is going to happen to them from something done by their own fellow government employees.

    But getting to the specifics of the damage, I won’t.”

  5. Bullshit. You re-read the indictment, Zorro, and show me where this is anything but a he said-she said between Libby and Miller/Cooper/Russert. That’s it, man. That’s the entire indictment, a dispute as to who said what when between reporters and politicians.

    What a farce this whole silly thing is. But you go ahead believing it’s the next Watergate, man!, if it gets you through the day, Zorro.

  6. And if I had to pick the most likely truth-teller between those four … it ain’t the media assholes.

  7. Not to worry. They didn’t lay a glove on him. Scooter’s only indicted for perjury, obstruction of justice and a few other things. No big deal. He’ll be back in his old power seat in no time.

    This case is bigger than the leak of highly classified information. It is about how the Bush White House manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to bolster its case for the war in Iraq and to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the president. The charges really beg the larger question – what did the president and vice president know about these and related matters, and when did they know it?

    A chief architect of the war in Iraq, Scooter Libby, sworn to protect this country, used access to national security information not as weapons against our nation’s enemies, but as weapons against someone who dared to ask tough questions of a dishonest policy. Then they tried to cover it up.

    I think the American People should forget Scooter and go for an impeachment. This one wouldn’t be about lying to a grand jury regarding an indiscretion in the Oval Office. The emphasis would be on high crimes, not misdemeanor.

  8. You left off a big one, Joe:

    8) WHY is everyone accepting as a given that Plame was not only covert, but that it is *possible* for the wife of an ambassador to be a covert op? Especially people who should know better?

    [Not talking about the media: after the Katrina coverage plus the past ten years, it’s pretty much a given that the media couldn’t actively investigate a cereal box to find a Captian Midnight Decoder Ring]

    Does anyone honestly think and believe that all of the opposition [and allied] intelligence agencies do *NOT* keep and maintain dossiers on our ambassadors, embassy personnel, and diplomats, including: wives, relatives, family, pets, friends, and associates thereof? Raise your hand if you do. ;]

    Noonan was “outed” in the intel sense the minute her hubby became a named ambassador. None of the people who keep track of that stuff need NY Times articles to do it for them.

  9. The question is WHY did Libby lie?

    He faces possibly 30 years in jail…

    WHY?

    That is the “damage to the entire nation” that Fitgerald refers to…and that is coming down the pipe.

  10. “Bullshit. You re-read the indictment, Zorro, and show me where this is anything but a he said-she said between Libby and Miller/Cooper/Russert. That’s it, man. That’s the entire indictment, a dispute as to who said what when between reporters and politicians.”

    No Joe…you are missing the point. Libby is a seasoned pro. Advisor to the president, etc etc. The important part is not the he-said she said…it’s why he lied to the grand jury and the FBI. WHY?

  11. “Lawyers familiar with the investigation believe that at least part of the outcome likely hangs on the inner workings of what has been dubbed the White House Iraq Group.” Wall Street Journal

    Little was written about the White House Iraq Group. Its inception in August 2002, seven months before the invasion of Iraq, was secretive. Much later some newspaper articles mention it in passing, reporting that it had been set up by Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff. Its eight members included Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby, Condoleezza Rice and the spinmeisters Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin. Its mission: to market a war in Iraq.

    Throughout those seven months between the creation of WHIG and the start of the American invasion of Iraq, there were indications that evidence of a Saddam nuclear program was fraudulent or nonexistent. Wilson’s C.I.A. mission to Niger, in which he failed to find any evidence to back up uranium claims, took place nearly a year before the president’s 16 words. But the truth didn’t matter the Republican administration.

    The whisper-campaign against Wilson has left them and the Karl-Scooter tag team vulnerable because it’s about something far bigger: protecting the lies that took the country into what the Reagan administration National Security Agency director, Lt. Gen. William Odom, recently called “the greatest strategic disaster in United States history.”

    For Karl and Dubya to get what they wanted most, slam-dunk midterm election victories, and for Scooter and Dicak to get what they wanted most, a war in Iraq for reasons predating 9/11, their real whys for going to war had to be replaced by fictional ones that could be more easily sold. The U.S. wouldn’t be invading Iraq to further Rovian domestic politics or neocon ideology; it would be done instead because there was a direct connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda and because Saddam was on the verge of attacking America with nuclear weapons. The facts and intelligence had to be fixed to create these whys; any contradictory evidence had to be dismissed or suppressed.

    Scooter and Dick were in the boiler room of the disinformation factory. Dick’s repetitive hyping of Saddam’s nuclear ambitions in the summer and fall of 2002 as well as his persistence in advertising bogus Saddam-Qaeda ties were fed by the rogue intelligence operation set up in his own office. Dicka and Scooter built their “case” by often making an end run around the C.I.A., State Department intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency. Their ally in cherry-picking intelligence was a similar cadre of neocon zealots led by Douglas Feith at the Pentagon.

    One of WHIG’s goals, successfully realized, was to turn up the heat on Congress so it would rush to pass a resolution authorizing war in the politically advantageous month just before the midterm election.

    Joe Wilson wasn’t a player in these exalted circles; he was a footnote who began to speak out only after Saddam had been toppled and the mission in Iraq had been “accomplished.” He challenged just one element of the W.M.D. “evidence,” the uranium that Saddam’s government had supposedly been seeking in Africa to fuel its ominous mushroom clouds.

    Based on what we know about Scooter and Karl hysterical over-response to Mr. Wilson’s accusation, he scared them silly. They were hiding something much bigger.

    That’s why the lying. That’s why the original smear campaign. And they are still trying to smear Wilson.

  12. Hey, Zorro, Ghost, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you both all over again. Your arguments are so dripping with bile, they are barely coherent. You have proved before, and are proving again, that there is no arguing or discourse with you, there is merely the endless restating of your talking points in response.

    The WH isn’t a silver screen onto which you can project all your fantasies. I’m sure it’s a bitter, bitter day for you, knowing that the President wasn’t indicted, nor will Rove be led away in handcuffs. It’s okay, I assure you, you can use all that KY you bought when you download some porno, or on the off chance you can get a live human being to mash groodies with you.

    I happen to disagree with my co-bloggers here to some extent. I think that the probable non-existence of any underlying crime is irrelevant. If there is a lawful investigation, one does not lie to the court or the prosecutor or the investigators. That’s why we have the 5th Amendment: it’s your right to clam up. If you choose to lie, or if you fail to produce accurate information where you had a duty to do so (as in the case of senior government officials, sophisticated operators who should know better) then you are on the hook for perjury. For the same reason Clinton admitted guilt for perjury, Libby should be tried.

    As for false pretenses, well, if Libby was engaged in perjury, then so were Bill Clinton and Al Gore for saying in all those official documents that we needed to oust Saddam as a result of his refusal to stand down his WMD programs. So were France, and Russia, and a lot of other enemies of the Iraq war involved in perjury, including the UN and IAEA, all of which insisted Saddam had a WMD program. In the absence of Saddam’s compliance with his agreement to stand down his WMD programs, no other possibility could reasonably be considered.

    And for what it’s worth, I’m of the opinion that freeing the oppressed is never the wrong move. You obviously feel different, but then, that’s what I expect from leftists. Y’all motherfuckers cheered and propped up the Russian communists for nearly a century; you soft pedaled leftist tyranny everywhere you found it, and you still hug Castro and Chavez, who are following an aggressive anti-U.S. program in this hemisphere and, indeed, offering to collaborate with AQ. Oh well, at least it’s nice to know that while conservatives may have gone over to advocating for human rights, at least you leftists stay the same: you’ve never met an anti-american dictator that you didn’t love.

  13. And we were still at war with Iraq anyway. There had been no peace treaty, merely an armistice which Iraq repeatedly violated. We could have gone after that business anytime we wanted.

    Funny old thing an armistice is. It isn’t peace and a new declaration of war isn’t necessary to resume hostilities.*

    *Please do your own research as to what constitutes a declaration of war or not. The Supreme Court and Congress have pretty much defined that and any Depository Library will have all the materials to do your own dang research. I willjust note that the first foreign war we got into after ratification was with France, a naval war, and it was undeclared. Which is precedent, I think.

  14. Answers to you questions:

    1) If Plame were in fact “covert”, why did the CIA allow Wilson to publish the NYT article?

    Here’s the article:
    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

    Does Wilson mention his wife? Not a word. Didn’t Fitzgerald clear up the mystery yesterday when he confirmed her covert status at the CIA? It was also said that a charge of treason is much harder to prove because you have to prove intent which is very difficult. Since Libby is only charged with perjury or obstruction doesn’t shelter your argument. Plame was covert. That’s what this whole thing is about; that’s why the CIA requested this investigation in the first place.

    2) How can the CIA credibly maintain the resultant notoriety wouldn’t hazard Plame’s “covert” status?

    You would think that any government agency would be very concerned about this, especially those within the Bush administration who leaked her identity in the first place. However your question makes a huge assumption about Plame’s status which takes us back to question #1.

    3) Why is the CIA allowed to maintain the fiction of covert status for Plame when it has allowed its covert operative to be thusly exposed?

    You really can’t get over the status of her cover and you seem to think the CIA leaked her identity. Alright. I can’t answer your question; it’s loaded. However, check out ex-CIA Larry Johnson’s blog, he has been very critical of the media’s ignorance regarding how the CIA functions.

    http://noquarter.typepad.com

    4) Since there’s no direct indictment for “outing” Plame, it stands to reason that she was not covert in the first place, and this whole kerfuffle was/is based upon protecting Wilson’s lies.

    This question sounds like something you would say just before you go to bed to help you sleep. Psychologists say that life’s deepest pain and disappointment comes when we believe too strongly in a myth. Those who choose to shatter the myths they live by can live a healthier and happy life; but not without pain. Go back to question #1.

    5) Should the unelected bureaucracy of the CIA be permitted to manipulate the elected Executive branch as Wilson/Plame did, using the pretense of national security as a shield against exposure of their manipulations and their falsehoods?

    This question comes very close to the truth and the heart of the matter. However, it’s a lot like the funhouse mirrors where everything is backwards. A better and more real question arises when you substitute “unelected bureaucracy of the CIA” for the “elected Executive branch” and vice versa. If you then answer that question the answer would be absolutely not.

    6) Is there anyone who would trust the CIA to even walk their dog at this point?

    I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

    7) If they charge Libby with obstruction of justice, false statements and perjury, what about Wilson? And how about a “misuse of funds” charge against Wilson, too, since by his own admission all he did in Niger was drink tea?

    What about Wilson? This question is absurd.

    The political stench billowing from Langley is a national disgrace. This was a successful attempt by low level bureaucrats to damage a sitting President during wartime, and to me is tantamount to treason. Equal in complicity in this disgraceful episode are the big media outlets which perpetuate Wilson’s lies and continue to lionize this despicable and worthless bag of shit. A pox on all your houses I question your patriotism but it’s quite obvious you have none.

    Mike, an open mind never knows anything when the heart is closed. You dare to call Wilson a worthless bag of shit, you wish death upon him, and you question his patriotism along with the other “low level bureaucrats.” I can see this makes you pretty mad. I get pretty upset about all of this as well. I’d like to ask you to consider what would happen if Wilson wasn’t lying, that he was telling the truth. What if all the traitors were in fact Libby, Rove, etc? Would you want to be known for the rest of your life as someone who decided to stand up and be counted alongside these guys? Think about it.

  15. Pat, people knew that Plame was Wilson’s wife. They could put two and two together by that point. She wasn’t outed by the administration because she wasn’t in, hence no indictments for outing her. Obviously the elements of the crime weren’t met even for an indictment, let alone a trial. And yes, the executive gets to make policy and executive agencies, which the CIA is, have to follow along. They don’t get to play at setting policy different from that which the administration sets. Sorry, the elected officials run things, the hirees have to go along whether they like it or not.

  16. Ah, Mr. Lane. So many paragraphs around a very basic error in thinking, to wit: For someone to be published in the NYT as an ambassador and self-confessed CIA operative, with the name of his wife already available from other sources, means her employment is no longer either covert or classified, CIA (and your) pretenses aside. The minute Wilson publicly linked himself with the CIA, Plame was no longer covert. The CIA pursued this to keep the heat off their multitude of Iraq fuckups, the Wilson/Niger fiasco being only one of many. The media idiots were only too willing to push the CIA scenario since they felt they could hurt Bush with it.

    You really can’t get over the status of her cover and you seem to think the CIA leaked her identity.

    Really? You seem to be the one basing your entire argument of the assumption that Joe Wilson can use the NYT megaphone to trumpet “I worked for the CIA”, and yet somehow think that it won’t occur to any hostile agent to check out his wife. Her cover was blown by JOE WILSON first, and with apparent CIA blessing. To argue otherwise shows either no cognitive ability, or a willful disregard of the facts. That’s why there’s no charge against Libby; the only person who could possibly be charged with “outing” Plame is WILSON.

    Mike, an open mind never knows anything when the heart is closed. You dare to call Wilson a worthless bag of shit, you wish death upon him, and you question his patriotism along with the other “low level bureaucrats.”

    First of all, JOE wrote this post, and signed it. Try to keep us straight; Mike is not responsible for my opinion, though he probably agrees with me. Secondly, the “a pox on your houses” reference stems from this context:

    “William Shakespeare often used the term “pox” as a form of profanity. In his day (1564-1616), the term was widely used in anger, as in: “A pox on your house!” In science, poxviruses are any of a vast number of microbes that infect a wide range of species. They include fowlpox, monkeypox, and swinepox, to name a few.”

    It is a wish of severe discomfort and probable disfigurement, but not death. Get your insults straight. And finally, I didn’t question anyone’s patriotism, I stated quite clearly that they have NONE.

    I’d like to ask you to consider what would happen if Wilson wasn’t lying, that he was telling the truth.

    And you accuse me of loaded questions? There is no if, Patrick. Wilson is a proven liar. You clowns just can’t seem to understand that.

  17. By the way, Patrick, the CIA may or may not have lost your dog: seems it’s status has been classified, so we can’t really discuss it.

  18. Mikey, people didn’t know Plame’s status. It was classified, Fitzgerald said so yesterday. I have no idea how you could demonstrate she wasn’t “in” the CIA.
    Joe, sorry I got your name wrong but I don’t think there’s any doubt where and when Plame’s identity was revealed but let’s leave that aside. The fact is classified information was revealed to the press by at least two people within the administration. If you want to say “so what, everybody already knew”, I would wholeheartedly disagree with you BUT that doesn’t change the fact that classified information was mishandled and security was breached. Nobody has the right to take it upon themselves to decide what should or should not remain classified. Libby has been indicted for obstructing a federal investigation whose sole purpose is to discover how classified information was leaked and you run to defend Libby? Would you call this patriotism? Or is this defending your party? Did Wilson out his wife? No way. How do you suppose someone could learn of Wilson wife’s identity from the NYT article? Do you actually think her covert name was either Valerie Wilson or Valerie Plame? One thing is certain, even if you’re right about Wilson outing his wife, Libby made sure everyone knew Valerie Wilson was an American spy. And you make excuses for this man or attempt to minimize what has occurred? It doesn’t matter to you that national security was compromised or that the investigation was requested by the CIA? It also doesn’t seem to matter to you that Fitzgerald is a Republican without an agenda; that he will go after ANYONE including Wilson if it were necessary. But alas, Wilson is never even mentioned anywhere outside of your circle of thinking as a possible suspect for this CRIME. Why is that do you suppose? Do you know something the rest of world doesn’t? Why don’t you share it and win a Pulitzer Prize for journalism? I mean Joe, the world really needs to know the truth right about now. And your pal George Bush would more than likely put you on the team if you could just step forward and straighten this whole crazy mess up for him. Holy shit Joe! It was Wilson all along! Run with it baby!

  19. Pat, you really aren’t worth responding to. Too much effort and zero gain.

  20. It’s exhausted pal, because I’m tired of repeating myself to the same worn out arguments that have been refuted time and again over the past months.

    Argument A- refute
    Argument B- refute



    Argument Q- refute

    Argument A- man, I’m tired of this, not worth going over again ad nauseum.

  21. Did Wilson out his wife? No way. How do you suppose someone could learn of Wilson wife’s identity from the NYT article?

    You must be just as stupid as you sound, Patrick. Let me spell it out for you: Widely available NY Times article + widely available Who’s Who in America listing = NOT A FUCKING SECRET. Clear yet, moron? Or do you need it tattooed on your forehead?

    The reason Fitzgerald didn’t charge either Libby or Wilson with outing Plame is because she was already outed, therefore NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED. You lefty idiots have been in your moonbat echo chamber, brainwashing each other with fetid little conspiracy theories and ignoring this inconveinient little fact for so long that you think everyone else is ignoring it too. Except, of course, the guy who has to make the actual charge, and who of course didn’t because, as I said before (you might want to try to actually start comprehending these facts, Patrick) NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED, there was no “secret agent” outing.

    I mean Joe, the world really needs to know the truth right about now.

    You clowns fall all over the truth on a regular basis and still can’t see it. It would be sad, but since it provides most of the comic relief around here, well, I’ll shed no tears.

  22. Dear Joe and Mikey not the host….it’s like you’re both in a cult and you need to be de-programmed. Joe….you get too angry when your someone doesn’t agree with you. You need to work on that and let your ideas stand or fall on their own merit. That aside, you’re placing everything on Wilson. Your entire defense is WILSON LIED!!! It seems the world disagrees with you. I’ll say this again Joe, do you know something that the rest of America doesn’t? Because it seems that your theory, if true, would completely exonerate Libby, Rove, etc. Do you think we’ll hear Libby’s defense attorney use the WILSON LIED!!! defense? Have we heard anything from either Rove’s attorney or Libby’s that would bring Joe’s theory to the forefront and save the day? Nope. I wonder why? Is it because of all the media lies Joe? Why is it that we don’t hear Cheney or Bush make some sort of statement along the lines of WILSON LIED!!? Why is it that for the last two years the White House in their own defense has never said the NYT article is what outed Plame? That would certainly take the edge off of all the criticism. Why don’t they defend themselves the way you defend them? Joe, it’s you. Your Wilson/Plame theory is about as water tight as an alien abduction story. You’ve got nothing Joe, except for your NYT article theory which reads like a story of a Bigfoot sighting. In the end, Libby and possibly others will go down. If you keep an open mind and not take all of these events so personally you’ll thank yourself when this is all over. Why? Because the people you’re defending have an excellent chance of being convicted of treason, they deserve the benefit of the doubt but at the same time the evidence has lead to an indictment. It’s not over ’till it’s over, but you guys are rolling the dice here with whom you place your loyalty. If they’re exonerated, I’ll eat crow and you guys will certainly gloat. But what happens if someone is convicted? What will you do then? How will you explain your dedication to these people?

  23. Don’t have a seizure, Pat. The senate came back and said Wilson was a liar, and the prosecutor found nothing on anyone, except for the crimes of stupidity on Mr. Libby. The authorization for force gave many reasons to go to war, or rather, resume hostilities, since there had been only an armistice and that had been repeatedly broken by Hussein.

    But keep at it, keep spinning yourself around trying to make your conspiracy theories stick. Just remember to wrap that tinfoil tight around your head.

  24. If they’re exonerated, I’ll eat crow and you guys will certainly gloat.

    If? You reality-based losers sure have a hard time with actual reality, Patrick. They already have been exonerated, you tool; the only one charged was Libby, and even those charges are pretty lame compared to the frog-marching/execution of Rove you clowns kept announcing was imminent. So yes, you should be eating crow this very minute, but that requires admitting you were wrong, which we all know could never happen. As for gloating, well … we prefer to point and laugh.

    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAAAA!! The eville KKKarl foils you again!!

  25. Dear Mikey and Joe, I’ll be sure to save a copy of your latest remarks just in case Karl, I mean “official A”, gets indicted. Already exonerated?(!) You must mean the kind of exoneration that OJ got after his trial was over. After all, “the gloves didn’t fit,” must have made perfect sense to you. What better way to explain why a defendant wouldn’t slip right into the killer’s gloves? Anyhow, since everyone’s been exonerated, I missed the victory speeches and celebrations at the White House. What do you think their victory slogan was? “They couldn’t prove treason just perjury and obstruction.” That sounds good.

  26. Patrick,

    Where is the indictment for the ‘crime’ that spurred the investigation?

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