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Religion of Peace Update, #251

September 16th, 2006

Pope quotes historical figure who had issues w/t Islam, to the effect that it’s just not right to spread your religion by violence, that violent conversion is inconsistent with God’s nature.

Muslims hear this as “Muslims engage in forced conversion and religiously motivated violence, and then express outrage at this untruthful slander directed at their religion by attacking 5 Christian churches in Palestine.

Q.E.D., methinks.

My heart goes out to Muslims who agree with the Pope – that the Almighty eschews irrationality and calls us to Himself, rather than forcing us to Him. On the other hand, I have no pity for the intolerant ones, and am rapidly losing patience with our government’s (and the West’s general) kid glove treatment. I believe it’s necessary that we try to avert What Comes Next, but in the end we may all be forced into Brent Scowcroft/John Derbyshire’s Arabist Realist position – ‘rubble don’t cause trouble.’ Do with that what you will.

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  1. September 16th, 2006 at 21:29 | #1
    I don't want rubble.

    I want the rubble to bounce.

    Repeatedly.

    Can we now quit pretending Islam is anything other than the Church of the Perpetually Aggrieved? Enough with the PC BS.

  2. September 17th, 2006 at 05:53 | #2
    It reminds me of the saying: Actions speak louder than words.

    The pope said something to start discussion, and....

  3. September 17th, 2006 at 18:25 | #3
    ..and the muslims went ape-shit. So what else is new? They want to be treated like adults rather than spoiled brats? They want respect? They could, for a change, act like they are worthy of it.

    So far, the chances are slim and none, and slim left town. Going to be a lot more blood, I'm thinking, before the muslim world wakes up from its nightmare.

  4. Jack_Crow
    September 18th, 2006 at 11:59 | #4
    Muslims perceive an insult, respond with violence and kill some innocent people.

    Predicability like that is usually reserved for things like sunrise.

  5. Theresa-MSGT-USAF-ret
    September 18th, 2006 at 14:06 | #5
    Okay, we all saw this shit coming, but how many more innocent people will have to die in order for non-muslims to finally say enough? When muslims lash out at non-muslims for whatever perceived slight they feel, the world just sits and watches. Sorta like a morbid by stander at a car accident. Churches are being fire bombed and we just look and say, here they go again. An innocent woman of peace who was helping the poor is shot in the back of the head 3 times and we all just react with, well its those damn muslims again, getting pissed. What the hell? Where is the outrage, where is the condemnation of that barbarity? We just sit and watch them go nuts on TV and shake our collective heads, tsking. What the fuck????????? We hear from the left that the Pope should apologize and that he is wrong, yada, yada, yada. Never mind that he was reading from an ancient text, never mind that they are proving his point emphatically. He dared to utter something negative about islam and muslims turn into raging lunatics. When was it decided by the “west” that muslims are a protected class and any utterance contrary to what they believe is racist or blasphemous? Why are they held to a different standard than the rest of us? Why are they allowed to spew hatred at every opportunity with no reprisal? When is it enough?
  6. Jack_Crow
    September 18th, 2006 at 14:44 | #6
    I don't know the answer Theresa. What I do know is that right now they seem a fuck of a lot more dedicated to destroying our civilization than we are to defending it, and if we don't find a way to reverse that alarming trend this is going to end badly for us.
  7. Pofarmer
    September 18th, 2006 at 23:02 | #7
    Unfortunately, doing what's required to save our country and our civilization would probably land you in jail right now. After the Mushroom cloud?? All bets are off. I know that I'm a little freaked out from the things I've heard and read the past few days.
  8. September 19th, 2006 at 05:11 | #8
    Folks, remember that it has been happening for a while now in Europe. The inaction and excuse making are staggering. I feel bad for the good muslims who have these a-holes in their midst, but for crying out loud, if they won't fix the problems someone else will have to. Especially in places like Israel and Europe where state sovereignty depends on it. If nothing else, one would think that would be some motivation.

    Heck, the French are so proud of French culture, French art, French dance, the traditions of the Revolution... so stand up for those things, already. At least for the rights of citizens new and old not to have some of the fundie stuff that is foisted on them. You're the country of Lafayette, and Curie, and Eiffel, and Verne and Voltaire, for crying out loud!

  9. Scott
    September 19th, 2006 at 10:02 | #9
    The Pope's message is sound, it just needs repeating in a calm and clear manner - the media cannot be allowed to distort or cherry pick, because they will try at every step of the way. They know that more dog trainers will sell if they print "Pope to Muslims: F-U" rather than "Pope to Muslims: Let's Talk", just like they know there's a lot of money to be made printing up US national security security (former) secrets.

    However, the Vatican is big enough that anything they say will get some coverage no matter if it's the 3002nd time, so this is doable - it just requires balls and patience in large measures, and then eventually some sector of the global muslim population will become willing to listen and behave seriously (intellectually that is), and then perhaps we'll have taken our first major step toward winning the GWoT at the ideological level.

    But there will be a lot of damage to undo - principles first of all must hold true every time, i.e. one of the biggest problems with bringing Islam into the modern world is that their religion tells them it is okay to behave however they want toward non-muslims, i.e. lying, cheating, stealing, murder, rape etc is all fine and dandy if it's being done to a kuffir. Can't base a civilization on that, sorry. Contracts and laws must be 100% binding, no excuses.

    Still, I remain hopeful that the Pope will stay the course.

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