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April 21st, 2004

So Andrea and Michele are working the bad-songs-list mojo, and I left this in Andrea’s comments, and on reflection I thought I’d post it here too. I said it, I believe it, that settles it:

The only decent thing to come out of the 70s was Ritchie Blackmore, and where the hell is he now, huh? And now that I think of it, it was Blackmore that unleashed David Coverdale on an unsuspecting world, and on an unsuspecting Tawny Kitaene, too. This might explain where he’s been: in hiding, fearful of somehow being forced to atone for his heinous crime. Bastard.

But you know, IMHO, the 80s were just as bad, if not worse. Hey guys, just because the soundtrack to your high-school-days backseat groping with little Heather Legwarmers or Crystal Cameltoe down the street was Flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran doesn’t mean they were any good, you know. And a fistful of Black Flag in your left hand will never be enough to make up for the A-Ha! splooge dribbling between the skinned knuckles of your right.

Feel free to discuss bad 80′s music all you like in the comments. I promise I won’t look, even to point and laugh. God, what a musical wasteland that decade was. Understand that I’m talking about the charts and not the underground here. Yes, Em, I’m talking to you. And yes, SLF rocks.

Update! I forgot to mention that the 70s also produced Kiss and AC/DC, both of whom I like, for which Emily long ago threatened to beat me about the head and shoulders with a length of rebar. But she’s wrong on that, which is rare.

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  1. April 21st, 2004 at 10:17 | #1
    Musical wasteland? Come on, you're talking about my formative teenage years there, boyo. Sure, there was a lot of crap, but a lot of pretty good stuff, too, even though some of it were rare decent songs from otherwise odious performers. How about:

    "Summer of '69" - Bryan Adams
    "Somebody's Baby" -- Jackson Browne
    Anything by The Cars
    Several things by David Bowie
    Most things by John Cougar
    Virtually everything by Dire Straits, especially "Sultans of Swing," "Walk of Life," and "Romeo & Juliet".
    A couple of Duran Duran songs, probably, but at least "Rio."
    The ZZ Top oeuvre.
    Springstein.

  2. April 21st, 2004 at 10:32 | #2
    I must admit, I hate all those guys (especially Springsteen - overearnest and overwrought phoniness that eventually transmogrified itself into disposable electronic pop bemoaning the plight of the "working man," which plight he's been viewing through limo windows for almost thirty years; ugh) except for ZZ Top and maybe Dire Straits, which is ironic since Knopfler (who's a pretty good guitarist) got that fatter guitar sound on "Money for Nothing" by directly copying Billy Gibbons' amp setup. No shit, he actually called Gibbons and asked him about it, or so I read in Guitar Player mag years ago. Pretty cool if you ask me, not that you did. Oh crap, and I promised I wouldn't look, too. ;)

    Up next - a long article from me on the perfect guitar tone, if I can ever get it finished.

  3. April 21st, 2004 at 10:43 | #3
    I expected you'd look. I don't mind that you disagreed with most of my selections. I'm not a huge Springstein fan either, but I think it's good, just not really my taste. If you'd disagreed on Top or especially Dire Straits I'd have had to write off your musical taste entirely (bet you're releived!).

    Actually, though, I think "Money For Nothing" supports your case more than mine. I think it's by far Dire Straits worst popular song, and the reason is that that song, more than anything else they did, screams "Eighties".

  4. April 21st, 2004 at 10:45 | #4
    Agreed completely on that one; "Sultans" is the Straits song of choice for me. Nice, twonky straight-up Strat sound, and a good near-jazzy solo. "Money for Nothing" almost sounds like naked pandering after that.
  5. A Recovering Liberal
    April 21st, 2004 at 10:59 | #5
    Spoons says Come on, you’re talking about my formative teenage years there, boyo. Sure, there was a lot of crap, but a lot of pretty good stuff, too...

    What he said.

    '80s music is fun when Richard Blade plays hours of it every Saturday night. It's fun when you hear it at a wedding reception. But it's not gonna end up in my CD collection. That's reserved for real musicians like Tom Petty, Cowboy Junkies, Simon & Garfunkel, Jeff Buckley and the soundtrack to weekend trips to the desert with my dad: John Prine, Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles.

    Wait. I lied. There's a Jesus Jones CD in the collection. Woops.

  6. April 21st, 2004 at 11:23 | #6
    Ahh, but see, you just made my essential point for me: just because it was the music of your formative years doesn't mean it was any good by any objective standards, conceding up front that "objective standards" is in a way meaningless when it comes to music.

    In other words, I'm willing to spot you Bloodrock, Bobby Sherman, and the Strawberry Alarm Clock if you'll admit that Men Without Hats sucked. ;)

  7. April 21st, 2004 at 11:38 | #7
    PS - and you have to admit that Midnight Oil was possibly the most overrated rock and roll act since Springsteen, too.
  8. A Recovering Liberal
    April 21st, 2004 at 11:42 | #8
    But but but... they included "Vegemite sandwich" in a tune, and I actually knew what Vegemite was 'cause an Australian penpal had sent a jar. (Vile stuff, BTW.)

    If I say that MWH sucked, then... then... I lose all claim to teenage coolness!

    Poof! There it went.

    Psst... maybe I was *trying* to make your point for you.

  9. A Recovering Liberal
    April 21st, 2004 at 11:44 | #9
    Midnight Oil, definitely overrated.

    I remember Time magazine touting Duran Duran as the next Beatles. Perhaps my memory's faulty. Bueller? Bueller?

  10. April 21st, 2004 at 11:49 | #10
    No question about Midnight Oil. I thought they weren't cool before it was cool to think they weren't cool.

    And in defense of Duran Duran, while hardly musical geniuses, they knew how to write a peppy pop song that would make coeds feel like dancing and drinking and shedding their undergarments.

  11. April 21st, 2004 at 11:52 | #11
    Well, if you want to know how cool I was as a teen, just go see Dazed and Confused. Or Detroit Rock City. Cool....not. That about sums it all up, and if someday I'm feeling inordinately masochistic, I'll post my senior-year yearbook pic to boot. God, it's awful. Awful embarrassing, too. Shiny shirt, poly pants, platforms, and pukka bead necklace - the whole horrid bit. But I'll say this in my defense: I never had pants like MC Hammer, and I never had a red leather jacket either. Or anything at all with any fringe on it, except for this old cowboy shirt I used to wear onstage back in the early 90's. I did have some skinny ties and inappropriately-placed safety pins, however.
  12. April 21st, 2004 at 11:57 | #12
    You're willing to spot Bobby Sherman andStrawberry Alarm Clock ? *snort* Mike, I've lost all respect for you as a musician, a friend . . . hell, even a human being ! For God's sake man, have you no shame ? spot Bobby Sherman ?!?nt finger*

    Eighties fashion and music would win a suck fight with a vacuum cleaner - small pockets of quality notwithstanding. I'll leave you with Queen, Van Halen, and Heart to beat me up for. :D

  13. April 21st, 2004 at 11:58 | #13
    The thing about Duran Duran to me was this: how the hell do you sing about how you're "hungry like a wolf" and never once manage to at least snarl a bit? Should've been "simper like an unweaned kitten," if you ask me. But then, I'm more the rough-and-tumble type anyway; give me Bon Scott growling through the choler of last night's quart of whiskey and a couple dozen chainsmoked cigarettes, or Merle Haggard doing the same, any day of the week.
  14. April 21st, 2004 at 13:15 | #14
    But Mike, won't somebody please think of the coeds?!?
  15. Sigivald
    April 21st, 2004 at 13:18 | #15
    Let's not forget that the 70s also produced Blue Oyster Cult, Iron Maiden, and very nearly produced Black Sabbath.

    Oh, and the Misfits, who suck in a completely different way than all the rest of the 70s crap.

  16. April 21st, 2004 at 13:24 | #16
    You have a point, Spoons, one which looser-fitting trousers ought to conceal adequately. ;)

    And Sig, may we assume from your statement re Misfits that you are not now, nor have you ever been, a member of the Fiend Club? A bud of mine in NYC once described Glenn Danzig as "the fat Elvis after six months of pumping iron," which I thought was hilarious.

  17. A Recovering Liberal
    April 21st, 2004 at 13:24 | #17
    I want to ride my bicycle,
    I want to ride my bike...
  18. Emily
    April 21st, 2004 at 13:51 | #18
    Glen Danzig is a dickhead. That's all I have to add.
  19. A Recovering Liberal
    April 21st, 2004 at 14:04 | #19
    Blender magazine named "We Built This City" by Jefferson Starship as the worst song ever.

    What year did it come from? 1985.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/21/music.worst.songs.ap/index.html

    Bwahahah! I hated that song.

  20. JerseyMike
    April 22nd, 2004 at 08:25 | #20
    He never rated as popular music but the best thing to come out of the 80's were the speed metal pickings of Dave Mustaine & Megadeth.
    The worst thing? Anything Billy Joel did
  21. April 22nd, 2004 at 09:12 | #21
    There are so many things I want to respond to here, but I have to spend the rest of my day wondering why I now feel icky that I'm a HUGE Misfits fan and I think Glenn Danzig is godlike.

    Oh, Dave Mustaine is prig.

    Iron Maiden rules - always has, always will, even Dickinson' solo stuff.

    Springsteen is a prig.

    I belonged to the Bobby Sherman fan club back in the day.

    Cheesy new wave was good. Still is.

    Hair metal sucked. Still does.

    Now, I'm going to listen to Danzig 4. On repeat. All day.

  22. April 22nd, 2004 at 10:03 | #22
    The 70s produced a hell of a lot more shite than the 80s. Can you say...barf..singer song-writers? I mean soft rock crap was mostly 70s and not the 80s. Kiss is, for the most part, a load of complete twaddle. Consumate showmen, amazing businessmen but a great rock band musically? Hardly!

    I happen to love Whitesnake in all its guises, Coverdale has one of the best voices in hard rock. He still does for that matter. Bruce Dickinson is pretty damn amazing as well, partly due to his 3 octave vocal range.

    Danzig's first album was very good metal. With the exception of 4 the band never really got close.

    I am getting bloody sick of indie whingers slagging off hard rock from 80s. Just because they were the miserable smelly wankers who never got laid they have a grudge against the party-hearty hard rockers. I mean even the bloody hard-core goths got laid more than the miserable indie oiks. Blender magazine is full of indie arseholes.

    Yes the 80s produce some total bollocks like Poison, most of Ratt's stuff etc. But there was some damn good rock music there even on the radio.

    80s hair-rock or Disco? Hrm, which was better and straighter? I rest my case.

    Now that we are comparing music...how about we examine some of the utter bilge that came out of the 60s. You know the crap that only works if you are on acid or stoned off your gord?

  23. April 22nd, 2004 at 10:14 | #23
    Personally, I always kind of liked a quote attributed to Keith Richards back in the 60's: "Mate, 99% of everything is pure shit." Works for me, and always made me feel a lot better about my own recorded output, too. ;)
  24. April 22nd, 2004 at 10:15 | #24
    Oh, and Michele, if it helps any, I didn't care all that much about the Misfits but really liked the first Danzig album.
  25. A Recovering Liberal
    April 22nd, 2004 at 10:27 | #25
    OT: Mike, speaking of your recorded output, may we hear something with your new guitar and customized amp?
  26. April 22nd, 2004 at 10:36 | #26
    Yeah...Mike is good at motivating my band to get off our arses and actually record. We had a great rehearsal last night...evening doing a piss-take version of the song. A ballad done umpah-style. It was scary.
  27. April 22nd, 2004 at 13:52 | #27
    I've seen Midnight Oil live, and they're one of the better live acts I've ever seen. There are points to be made, though, that while Midnight Oil writes a better-than-average start to a tune, they also do a better-than-average effort at making a great start into a subpar song. Case in point: The River Runs Red.

    I personally think one of Dire Straits' better tunes is Telegraph Road, but I have a strong preference for moody stuff. As a body of work, their first album was the best. Clean, and none of that cheesy pop-music sounding crap.

    Disclaimer: I really like (and still own) some of the Finn brothers' earlier works. Probably my favorite-band-that-you-never-hear-on-the-radio is The Rave-Ups.

  28. April 22nd, 2004 at 13:55 | #28
    So, I'm a fargan icehole for not closing the italics tag.
  29. April 22nd, 2004 at 17:08 | #29
    Did I miss something? You folks are here talking about 80s music and no mention of U2? They're only the biggest band to become famous in that decade, arguably their best record was in that decade (Joshua Tree, 1987) and they're one of a handful of bands that are still around churning out great music. What planet are you people from if you don't think U2 was a) making music in the 80s that b) partially redeems that otherwise awful musical decade.

    And are there any REM fans here? Their best stuff was done pre-1990--downhill fast after that (with the notable exception of Automatic For the People).

    Otoh, I fully agree with all the Springsteen bashing. Yech. Never liked him, never will.

  30. April 22nd, 2004 at 17:48 | #30
    Bryan, I wrote a whole post recently about the rise and fall of REM.

    Hm...I also wrote about Springsteen.

    /end gratuitous self linking. Because you don't want me to point to my Danzig mp3s.

  31. April 22nd, 2004 at 18:56 | #31
    Because you don’t want me to point to my Danzig mp3s.

    Ok. Do you have pictures?

    I saw U2 in Dallas, in 1985, and was so close to the stage that the PA stacks were actually behind me. Consequently, a great deal of the sound that hit us was from stage monitors. Yeah, U2 is one of my faves...if we're in the '80s.

  32. April 23rd, 2004 at 06:28 | #32
    Pictures of Danzig? Pictures of me? Pictures of me with Danzig?

    Ok, don't have those, but somewhere in my box o' photos is a picture of me with Peter Steele of Type O Negative. He's like Danzig without a heart.

  33. April 23rd, 2004 at 17:08 | #33
    I was being deliberately obtuse, michelle. I know that's not nearly as fun as accidentally obtuse, but them's the breaks.

    I have an autograph of Robert Plant; does that count for cool points? He was at The Ritz in Dallas, all by himself, and my sibs and I stumbled upon him. This was 1983, and he looked mighty...weathered; not going to speculate why. Unfortunately, us bestowing our attention on him clued in the up-until-then clueless, and he was quickly jellyrolled by a suddenly adoring public.

  34. April 24th, 2004 at 02:01 | #34
    Mike,

    And to think I just listened to those Hillbilly Hellcats downloads you provided and you go and diss my decade? There was some good music from the 80s, though the 70s were better. My taste straddles those decades and includes everything from Rush to AC/DC to Boston to Chicago to Kansas to Journey to Van Halen to Aerosmith to Queensryche. In fact, I mark the end of the 80s / beginning of the 90s with Queensryche's Empire. That's the last time I listened to the radio. It died after that.

    My favorite albums, order subject to change at a whim:

    1. Layla and other Assorted Love Songs -- Derek & The Dominos

    2. From The Cradle -- Eric Clapton

    3. Hotel California -- The Eagles

    4. Boston -- Boston

    5. Leftoverture -- Kansas

    6. Back In Black -- AC/DC (I love all of their work with Bon Scott, but this album is the best total)

    7. Moving Pictures -- Rush (Again, I love all of their work, period)

    8. Van Halen -- Van Halen

    I like so much music I can't even categorize myself. I love jazz -- The Jeff Lorber Fusion Band has a great album called Wizard Island and Stanley Clark is the best bassist ever (try School Days). I like some Iron Maiden -- The Trooper is my favorite -- and even some Black Sabbath -- Neon Knights with Dio as the lead.

    I could go on for ages. I have over 700 CDs. Actually, it's probably past 800 now.

    Hell, I forgot the Doobie Brothers. I'll never be able to list it all!!

  35. Cybrludite
    April 24th, 2004 at 12:23 | #35
    A bit late to the conversation, but had to put my 2 quatloos worth in. For good or ill, there was an awful lot of experimentation with styles & instruments during the '80s. Mostly for ill, granted, but at least there was always something interesting compared to the pre-fab crap on the radios now.
  36. Greg
    April 24th, 2004 at 16:57 | #36
    I once took a stack of crappy CD's to a second-hand store because they advertised that they bought used discs. And sure enough they did - I got a couple of bucks each for all but two of them: Omar & the Howlers ('Hard Times in the Land of Plenty'), and that effin' Midnight Oil CD. IOW - they were WORTHLESS, as demonstrated by the free market.

    Selling the 80's short is like selling the 70's short. Sure, the 70's gave us the Captain & Tenille and Air Supply (and Styx, and the Starland Vocal Band...), but we also got Zeppelin and Steely Dan.

    The 80's may have given us more crap than we can unload on a second-hand store, but we also got U2 (everything up to & including Joshua Tree), REM (everything up to and including Lifes Rich Pageant)... London Calling, and Combat Rock... Rum, Sodomy and the Lash... Guitar Town... and is there a more under-approeciated album from the 80's than Fisherman's Blues?

  37. April 24th, 2004 at 17:33 | #37
    "Making Movies" debuted in '80. For me, it Knopfler's masterpiece, although I love all the "deep cuts" on the first album. ("Water of Love", "Setting Me Up", "Wild West End"). If memory serves me, Clapton put out several adequate albums during the 80's, but I can't recall any of the tunes, save "She's Waiting". And for you strat lovers, how about Eric Johnson's "Tones"?
  38. April 24th, 2004 at 18:15 | #38
    'Personally, I always kind of liked a quote attributed to Keith Richards back in the 60’s: “Mate, 99% of everything is pure shit.” '

    Theodore Sturgeon, 90%, crud. In response to a belligerent type who told him that 90% of science fiction was crud (these were the pulp days), Sturgeon replied that 90% of everything was crud. This is often referred to as Sturgeon's law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Sturgeon

    Just so you know.

  39. April 25th, 2004 at 09:36 | #39
    Thanks for the info there, B. Didn't know that one. For all I know, Keith might have been quoting Sturgeon directly when he said it. It's been a good long while since I read the interview I was referring to, and it ain't like my memory is improving with age....
  40. April 26th, 2004 at 10:18 | #40
    Robert:

    If you don't have Journey to Love, go buy it right now. Some of Clarke's best work, IMO.

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