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Ok, I probably shouldn’t do this…

December 8th, 2008

But what the hell.

Make with the clicky!

There’s so much photographer humor in there, I don’t even know where to start.  So I won’t.  Just trust me on this.

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  1. Emily Nelson
    December 8th, 2008 at 21:33 | #1
    hee!
  2. December 8th, 2008 at 21:47 | #2
    I snorfled. Hard.

    Kodak just released Ektar 100. I've tested it. Exposed in good light, processed by any Costco minilab, scanned at 12x18 (3600 x 5400, if'n you can talk the lab monkeys into doing it for you) it delivers 19+ megapixels that absolutely bends digital over like a cheap whore during Fleet Week.

    It does this because it delivers full RGB values at every pixel, unlike digital, which delivers one color at every pixel and guesses at the rest.

    But let's be frank, as much as I like to rag the digital monkeys, it works best for most people. Hell, I still use it when I need people pictures fast in low light, where film suffers if you don't have hundreds of dollars in lighting equipment.

  3. Stymphalian Bird
    December 9th, 2008 at 00:09 | #3
    Can anyone ever remember the SWINGER that new poloaroid camera that came out in the 70s IT SAYS YES
  4. irish19
    December 9th, 2008 at 03:22 | #4
    Slightly OT, but what scanner was it you said you were using to scan 120 negs? IIRC, it was an Epson.
  5. apotheosis
    December 9th, 2008 at 10:13 | #5
    I know jack to the power of shit about photography, but my friend who does it for a living assures me this vid is some epic hilarious.

    What movie is that from?

  6. Bill H
    December 9th, 2008 at 17:04 | #6
    What movie is that from?

    It's called "Der Untergang" ("The Downfall"), made in, I think, 2002. It's a semi-accurate depiction of the last few days in Hitler's underground bunker in Berlin. If you're up to it, someone actually posted the entire movie on YouTube (in 10 minute bites to conform with their formatting- it clocks in at 2 hours and change)-17 seperate downloads. Still, a worthwhile movie if you like that sort of stuff. It comes subtitled in English, but a working knowledge of German is helpful.

  7. apotheosis
    December 9th, 2008 at 17:11 | #7
    Interesting, thank you Bill. I'll have a look around for it.
  8. Bill H
    December 9th, 2008 at 17:12 | #8
    It's called "Der Untergang" ("The Downfall"), made in, I think, 2002.

    If you do decide to watch the movie on YouTube, look up the poster "Overdosisbringslife". They are the one who posted it.

  9. December 9th, 2008 at 19:44 | #9
    I use an Epson V700. At 6400dpi, it gives about 130 megapixel images from 6x4.5, the smallest 120/220 format. I usually use a smaller scan size, because images that size make most minilab printers choke like HiIlary auditioning for Secretary of State.
  10. apotheosis
    December 9th, 2008 at 22:07 | #10
    Well there's a mental image I could've gone all damn day without.
  11. Bill H
    December 10th, 2008 at 02:36 | #11
    ...images that size make most minilab printers choke like HiIlary auditioning for Secretary of State.

    Goddamnit, Randy, do I have to sic B.C. on you?!?

  12. December 10th, 2008 at 10:14 | #12
    Rumor has it she was masturbating furiously the entire time. ;)

    But we were talking about photography.

    In all seriousness, as a minilab operator (CPC and SPFE certified, if that means anything to you) I can tell you that the following rules will get you the best pictures.

    1. Shoot digital in low light, unless you have time to set up some serious (at least 3 flash/strobe/hot units) lighting equipment. Use a digital SLR at high ISO if you can afford one, otherwise buy a Panasonic DMC-LX3. If it won't annoy your fellow meatsacks too much, use a decent flash with a swivel/bounce head. Point it toward the ceiling, wall, whatever, just not directly at your subject. If you absolutely must point it straight at your subject, get some sort of diffuser. Gary Fong makes some stuff that works well but costs way too much. Buy Sto-Fen, it's cheaper and works almost as well.

    2. Shoot low ISO film for everything else. Fuji Reala 100 and Kodak Ektar 100 are two brands I can recommend without hesitation. I'm fonder of the Ektar, truth be told. Reala would be better for people shots. But my "everything else" is usually landscape/nature only.

    3. Slide film is expensive, but very much worth the price of admission. I really can't emphasize this enough. Slide film can be viewed immediately and will tell you instantly how you did with your exposure. The emotional impact is similar to the first time you "chimped" a shot you'd just made with your digital, only stronger, better, and it never seems to fade, no matter how many rolls you shoot. It's hard to find a place to develop and scan the stuff, but Ken Rockwell ( www.kenrockwell.com ) has a few things to say about that. I think he's currently using NCPS out of California, which will set up a mail order account for you.

  13. December 10th, 2008 at 10:16 | #13
    That should read "slide film can be viewed immediately after developement".
  14. Bill H
    December 10th, 2008 at 22:38 | #14
    Rumor has it she was masturbating furiously the entire time.

    With what? A cheese grater??

    I've been out of photography for quite a while, so half of what you're telling me doesn't make a lot of sense. When I started, digital wasn't even an idea yet. I was still proofing shots with a Polaroid, then shooting on an ancient Rolliecord for keeps whenever I did a portrait. However, most of what I did was of, naturally, cars. For all of that, I had two Canon bodies- an AE1 Program, and an AL1 QuickFocus, both with motor winders. All my lenses were Canon, my favorite being the 28-80 macro, which was slow- I think somewhere around an f4- but gawd did that produce some sharp pics. I always shot Fuji HR, normally 400 (I'd stop it down as far as I could take it) every great once in a while 800. I'd also try pushing the film speed, but I was never really happy with the results. I'm not so sure I want to go into digital, except for a point-and-shoot device. I love the feel of my recently acquired Canon F1 (I had always wanted one of those) and I just located my old AE1 a couple of weeks ago. I am going to take your advice on the Ektar, and see what happens. Maybe it will be better than the 'sainted' HR. :)

  15. December 10th, 2008 at 22:59 | #15
    One of my assistants has an AE-1 a friend gave her, along with some lenses and a flash. She has difficulty with the flash exposure, (dunno if it's learning curve or something mechanical) so she's currently using my Nikon N75 to scratch the itch.

    Our favorite lens is the el cheapo basic "kit" lens Nikon sold a bajillion of, the 28-80 3.3-5.6 G. It's so much better than a plastic body autofocus lens has any right to be, I just don't have words for it.

    To put digital in perspective with film, I like to offer the following explanation.

    The Bayer-type sensor used in a digital camera interpolates 2/3 of it's color data at every pixel. This causes some degradation of image quality, which is somewhat compensated for by the fact that Bayer-type sensors use light more efficiently than film. With today's scanners, 35mm film can be scanned at 50 megapixels of resolution, which, even given efficiency differences, is still superior to the best full frame sensor on the market.

    That's why 6400dpi film scans from 35mm film produce 20x30 prints that are impeccable at "way too damned close" viewing distances, and digital still looks wrong when you poke your nose right in it.

    That's also why serious landscape photography is still done on film, usually starting at 6x4.5 medium format at the very least. Digital is good, but it can't beat the sheer brute force detail capture of film. Yet.

    Oh, and a cheese grater? Dude. Ouch.

  16. Bill H
    December 11th, 2008 at 03:10 | #16
    Damn- 6x4.5 is getting close to coated glass plate territory. That 'Cord was only 2x2- easily transported with my other stuff, but just large enough to get a well-detailed frame. There were some limitations, not least of which were the fixed lenses. Lighting was always a problem, which is why whenever I did a portrait shot (the 3-4 weddings I did as a 'favor' to the couple) I would run the Polaroids first. It couldn't possibly be accurate, but at least the bride wouldn't look like the sun was directly behind her, or the party dinner wouldn't look as though it had taken place in a cave. But that Rolliecord soldiered through. I still have it, but I don't do that sort of photo anymore. I came so damn close to buying a Mamiya 645 when they were being sold off at fire sale prices back in the early '80's. A poor-man's Hasselblad, that sure as hell would have taken care of the fixed-lens problem.

    Just for clarity- the Rolliecord did not have a Polaroid back- I did shoot with an equally ancient accordian-style Land camera. I also had this really cool Polaroid set-up that permitted me to take 35mm slides, then process them like a Polaroid. I thought it was so neat- until the film became impossible to find. Which, of course, was not too long after I bought the equipment.

    I can easily see where digital .is the choice- point-and-shoot ease, cheaper than film, far easier to use and process, far easier to manipulate (good and bad), and in some areas of the profession (like sports), speed and ease necessarily trumps artistic need. I guess the problem with me is I like the classics- proven designs that work well regardless of the task. New isn't always improved.

  17. December 11th, 2008 at 20:30 | #17
    You thought it was fire sale prices in the 80's? Try www.keh.com. Make sure you're sitting down.

    6x4.5 is the smallest of the medium formats you can still get film for, and it's delicious. I have a Fuji GA645, the finest medium format point and shoot rangefinder ever made, with the possible exception of the Mamiya 6 and 7 series, and I am never giving it up.

    Unless Fuji puts out a 130 megapixel replacement with a 3 layer sensor for under $400.00, which is what I paid for the GA645. Not too bloody likely, really.

    But I am seriously considering either a Mamiya 645AF or a Bronica SQ-A, either of which can be had from KEH (if you buy BGN condition, which is fine in my book) for about $400.00. With lens and film back, no less. The Mamiya is autofocus, which is nice, but the Bronica flash syncs to 1/500, which makes all the difference in the world for certain shots. Plus, I like the artistic challenges inherent in the square format.

    Get on Flickr and check out some of the skateboarding shots the Bronica shooters do. I believe the descriptive most often encountered in viewing these whippersnapper's work is "sick".

    Get 3 or 4 Nikon SB-26 or SB-80's sync'ed up with a Bronica loaded with Fuji Provia 100 and indeed it makes digital look quite sick, only not the way they meant it.

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